Spider Ashiguru
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Spider Ashiguru
The Sinister Citadel of the Spider Personalities: 23 3 Armed Rice Farmer 3 Daigotsu Hirose 3 Daigotsu Kikumura 3 Daigotsu Konishi 3 Daigotsu Onosaka 3 Hiyamako 2 Lao-she 3 Ninube Shiho Holdings: 16 2 Abundant Farmlands 3 Family Dojo 3 Famous Bazaar 2 Jade Pearl Inn 3 Vast Paddy Fields 3 Well-Defended Farm Followers: 10 3 Ashigaru Spearmen 2 Frontier Farmer 3 Rice Farmer 2 Seasoned Ashigaru Rings: 1 1 Ring of Air Strategies: 29 3 Contentious Terrain 1 Creating Order 3 Entrenched Position 3 Exotic Farmlands 3 Fall Back 3 Holding Cells 2 Pack Tactics 2 Planted Evidence 1 Ritual Preparation 2 Tale of the Disgraced 3 Unsettling Gathering 3 Versatile Army | |
Some changes to consider:
Contentious Terrain needs to come out, it never generates more than 1-2 force.
I think i also want to swap out Unsettling Gathering for Coward!.
-I can add Outnumbered, Lonely Battlefield, and Tairao to give me some force penalties, then add Meguro, Ryuko, Unholy Strike and Deliberations to add ranged/melee to take advantage of the penalties at the cost of a few bow actions like Tale of the Disgraced. The nice thing is that it removes presence and is harder to counter than bow actions.
-I can take out the samurai in the deck and replace them with monks/shugenja. This would allow me to run Riot in the Second City, Palm Strike and Way of the World. I would lose almost all my printed battle actions and increase my curve slightly as a trade off.
Thoughts?
Last edited by panku on Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:00 am; edited 20 times in total (Reason for editing : Can't decide what i want to do.)
panku- Daimyo of the Forgotten Bay
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Re: Spider Ashiguru
Yep, very similar to the lion version, or really just about any ashigaru version, you're in clan support is good though, surprised zansho isn't in for the relevant action/cheap force. (Oh right, spider hurhur)
I'm curious if the theory about it is correct though, early/mid-game fights hurt the deck a lot.
How do you feel about defensive grill? I want to like the card but it feels to odd in its uses.
I'm curious if the theory about it is correct though, early/mid-game fights hurt the deck a lot.
How do you feel about defensive grill? I want to like the card but it feels to odd in its uses.
Moto Damasko- Enlightened Forgotten Bay Monk
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Re: Spider Ashiguru
Early battles hopefully won't hurt this deck too bad. I have some game swinging actions like holding cells, ninube shiho, and Okura is Released if my opponent decides to engage early. I should also be able to flood the board with a lot of bodies, even early in the game, forcing the opponent to burn a lot of actions.
I really like defensive grill, its great if you can use it early in the game and punish an attacker for resolving battles in the wrong order. Its potentially a huge swing as they might lose a guy and bounce at the other province. I might swap to 2x coward and 2x defensive grill.
I really like defensive grill, its great if you can use it early in the game and punish an attacker for resolving battles in the wrong order. Its potentially a huge swing as they might lose a guy and bounce at the other province. I might swap to 2x coward and 2x defensive grill.
panku- Daimyo of the Forgotten Bay
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Re: Spider Ashiguru
panku wrote:Early battles hopefully won't hurt this deck too bad. I have some game swinging actions like holding cells.....
It's not for every deck, but in my playtesting, "Holding Cells" has been GOLD every time it has been in my hand.
Sleep- Mod Team
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Location : Tampa, FL
Re: Spider Ashiguru
I don't think unsettling is that great in this deck. I would go with ring of earth and a x2 maybe Sudden Movement or Okura Unleashed depending on how you feel on the consistency of your fear 3 or 4 with whats his name out. I think your 40th dynasty card is A Dark audience rightnow but Riot is amazing in non samurai. Also it seems like you fed the ashigaru the leftover brains from celestial.
Kakita Hideo- Kenshinzen of The Forgotten Bay
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Location : Tampa, FL
Re: Spider Ashiguru
Yeah, it plays/feels a lot like breeder.
panku- Daimyo of the Forgotten Bay
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Re: Spider Ashiguru
I was gonna say, you can tell just by the style of the deck that if it pulls the holdings it needs (2-3 of any of the force pump-based holdings) and sees enough of the followers (which it will), that it becomes consistently dumb force end game...
This will be very similar to breeder, minus how deadly that deck was early in battle.
This will be very similar to breeder, minus how deadly that deck was early in battle.
Moto Damasko- Enlightened Forgotten Bay Monk
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Re: Spider Ashiguru
Here is a different version that focuses more on printed actions and less on swarm.
The Sinister Citadel of the Spider
Personalities: 21
3 Daigotsu Konishi
3 Daigotsu Meguro
2 Daigotsu Onosaka
3 Daigotsu Roburo
2 Daigotsu Ryuko
3 Ninube Shiho
3 Tairao
2 Isidoros
Holdings: 18
1 Bamboo Harvester Exp
1 Counting House
3 Family Dojo
2 Famous Bazaar
3 Shinomen Marsh
2 Shrine to Hachiman
3 Slave Pits
3 Well-Defended Farm
Events: 1
1 Severed From the Emperor
Followers: 13
3 Ashigaru Spearmen
3 Frontier Farmer
3 Rice Farmer
2 Seasoned Ashigaru
2 Skeletal Troops
Rings: 2
1 Ring of Air
1 Ring of Earth
Strategies: 25
2 Back to the Front
1 Creating Order
3 Coward!
3 Exotic Farmlands
3 Fall Back
3 Holding Cells
2 Lonely Battlefield
3 Okura is Released
1 Ritual Preparation
2 Sudden Movement
3 Unholy Strike
The Sinister Citadel of the Spider
Personalities: 21
3 Daigotsu Konishi
3 Daigotsu Meguro
2 Daigotsu Onosaka
3 Daigotsu Roburo
2 Daigotsu Ryuko
3 Ninube Shiho
3 Tairao
2 Isidoros
Holdings: 18
1 Bamboo Harvester Exp
1 Counting House
3 Family Dojo
2 Famous Bazaar
3 Shinomen Marsh
2 Shrine to Hachiman
3 Slave Pits
3 Well-Defended Farm
Events: 1
1 Severed From the Emperor
Followers: 13
3 Ashigaru Spearmen
3 Frontier Farmer
3 Rice Farmer
2 Seasoned Ashigaru
2 Skeletal Troops
Rings: 2
1 Ring of Air
1 Ring of Earth
Strategies: 25
2 Back to the Front
1 Creating Order
3 Coward!
3 Exotic Farmlands
3 Fall Back
3 Holding Cells
2 Lonely Battlefield
3 Okura is Released
1 Ritual Preparation
2 Sudden Movement
3 Unholy Strike
panku- Daimyo of the Forgotten Bay
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Re: Spider Ashiguru
Here is the monk version, i basically trade away all printed battle actions in favor of Palm Stike and Riot.
#The Sinister Citadel of the Spider
#Dynasty: (40)
#Personalities: (23)
3 Armed Ashiguru
3 Lao-she
2 Nonaka
3 Hiyamako
3 Ninube Shiho
2 Dainiko
3 Isidoros
3 Myuken
1 Sengmei
#Events: (1)
1 Riot in the Second City
#Holdings: (16)
2 Jade Pearl Inn
2 Abundant Farmlands
3 Family Dojo
3 Famous Bazaar
3 Vast Paddy Fields
3 Well-Defended Farm
#Fate: (40)
#Followers: (12)
3 Ashiguru Spearmen
3 Frontier Farmer
3 Rice Farmer
3 Seasoned Ashiguru
#Rings: (2)
1 Ring of Air
#Strategies: (27)
1 Creating Order (Promo)
3 Palm Strike
2 The Way of the World
3 Entrenched Position
2 Crystal Tears
3 Holding Cells
3 Fall Back
1 Ritual Preperation
2 Tale of the Disgraced
3 Exotic Farmlands
2 Pack Tactics
2 Sudden Movement
#The Sinister Citadel of the Spider
#Dynasty: (40)
#Personalities: (23)
3 Armed Ashiguru
3 Lao-she
2 Nonaka
3 Hiyamako
3 Ninube Shiho
2 Dainiko
3 Isidoros
3 Myuken
1 Sengmei
#Events: (1)
1 Riot in the Second City
#Holdings: (16)
2 Jade Pearl Inn
2 Abundant Farmlands
3 Family Dojo
3 Famous Bazaar
3 Vast Paddy Fields
3 Well-Defended Farm
#Fate: (40)
#Followers: (12)
3 Ashiguru Spearmen
3 Frontier Farmer
3 Rice Farmer
3 Seasoned Ashiguru
#Rings: (2)
1 Ring of Air
#Strategies: (27)
1 Creating Order (Promo)
3 Palm Strike
2 The Way of the World
3 Entrenched Position
2 Crystal Tears
3 Holding Cells
3 Fall Back
1 Ritual Preperation
2 Tale of the Disgraced
3 Exotic Farmlands
2 Pack Tactics
2 Sudden Movement
panku- Daimyo of the Forgotten Bay
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Re: Spider Ashiguru
panku wrote:Here is the monk version, i basically trade away all printed battle actions in favor of Palm Stike and Riot.
#The Sinister Citadel of the Spider
#Dynasty: (40)
#Personalities: (23)
3 Armed Ashiguru
3 Lao-she
2 Nonaka
3 Hiyamako
3 Ninube Shiho
2 Dainiko
3 Isidoros
3 Myuken
1 Sengmei
#Events: (1)
1 Riot in the Second City
#Holdings: (16)
2 Jade Pearl Inn
2 Abundant Farmlands
3 Family Dojo
3 Famous Bazaar
3 Vast Paddy Fields
3 Well-Defended Farm
#Fate: (40)
#Followers: (12)
3 Ashiguru Spearmen
3 Frontier Farmer
3 Rice Farmer
3 Seasoned Ashiguru
#Rings: (2)
1 Ring of Air
#Strategies: (27)
1 Creating Order (Promo)
3 Palm Strike
2 The Way of the World
3 Entrenched Position
2 Crystal Tears
3 Holding Cells
3 Fall Back
1 Ritual Preperation
2 Tale of the Disgraced
3 Exotic Farmlands
2 Pack Tactics
2 Sudden Movement
You can't fit temple of harmony in the deck? I like it over jade pearl Inn if only because of it's synergy with the rest of the 2g scheme.
Sleep- Mod Team
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Location : Tampa, FL
Re: Spider Ashiguru
Jade Pearl is there because abundant farmlands is there along with deck thinning to get to riot and the personalities quickly. It plays by maximizing everything. I think the swarm approach is better and harder to deal with.
Kakita Hideo- Kenshinzen of The Forgotten Bay
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Location : Tampa, FL
Re: Spider Ashiguru
Shinomen marsh would go in first, but my main priority is to filter through to well-defended farms and more bodies, which the jade pearls help with. The deck has very few issues with gold do to the really low curve on the bodies and followers.
panku- Daimyo of the Forgotten Bay
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Re: Spider Ashiguru
The main question is whether the movement is worth it, iver more proactive actions.
panku- Daimyo of the Forgotten Bay
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Re: Spider Ashiguru
Hmm... I'd like to work in 2x goju obayashi and 2x shrine to hachiman.
panku- Daimyo of the Forgotten Bay
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